Mr. Ruby. Wait, we have got to clarify something else. We are getting ahead of ourselves.

Mr. Griffin. Let me just pinpoint time here. Was your conversation with Woodfield about Woodfield not being able to write the Belli story, did that conversation occur before, during, or after the trial of your brother?

Mr. Ruby. During, I would say.

Mr. Griffin. You indicate by your tone of voice and your words that you are not certain as to when this took place. Could you try to think of what the surrounding circumstances were of this conversation and other things to pinpoint the time?

Mr. Ruby. It wasn’t after, I know. Whether or not it was before, it could have been just before, because I don’t remember when Al Moscow came down the first time.

Oh, well, we can know exactly. It was published all over the country that Belli had signed a contract to do a story on Jack Ruby and the trial and all that stuff, and it was all over the country, with Al Moscow to do the writing. So we can pinpoint that. I don’t remember the date.

Mr. Griffin. Now, I took you off the track. Get back on your track.

Mr. Ruby. Where was I?

Mr. Griffin. You said that we were skipping ahead, I think.

Mr. Hubert. I think the last thing you were talking about before we diverted into these other aspects was that you said you had nothing to lose.