Mr. Ruby. Now you are not talking about the story—right?

Mr. Griffin. That is right.

Mr. Ruby. From the defense committee fund between $1,500 and $2,000, altogether.

Mr. Griffin. What were the expenses of the fund or is this—excuse me—is this $1,500 or $2,000—is that a net figure or a gross figure?

Mr. Ruby. That is a gross.

Mr. Griffin. All right. After expenses, what was ultimately left for the application to the defense?

Mr. Ruby. I can’t give you an exact figure because I just can’t recall all of the expenses we had, because I just paid a bill last week, and I just don’t have it, but I would say we spent probably close to a thousand dollars, because one ad alone was close to $300, and the letter was another $300—is $600 already that I can think of. There were other, smaller expenses.

Mr. Griffin. Do you know what the total expenses were that have been for the defense of your brother so far?

Mr. Ruby. In the low thirties. Of course, you must understand we are continually spending money, so I don’t have it.

Mr. Griffin. Have you been given an estimate recently as to what the total expenses of the defense of your brother is going to be?