Mr. Ruby. His daughter teaches Hebrew in the school where my daughter attends, and his daughter impressed on him, after several conversations to contact me, and see what he could do to help us because he has been very active in helping I should say, the minority groups of any organization.
Mr. Griffin. Can you tell us what Mr. Dann does for a living?
Mr. Ruby. He is an attorney.
Mr. Griffin. In Detroit?
Mr. Ruby. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. How old a man is Mr. Dann?
Mr. Ruby. I would say 55. That is a guess, of course.
Mr. Griffin. Did you know Mr. Dann before his daughter talked with you about——
Mr. Ruby. His daughter didn’t talk with me. She talked with him and finally convinced him to contact me and see what he could do to help us.
Mr. Griffin. When did Mr. Dann first contact you?