Mr. Griffin. What do you mean by that?

Mr. Crafard. I can’t really explain it. To me, I was shocked and everything, but it wasn’t like it had been a member, more or less, say, a member of my own family. With him, it hit him more like it had been a member of his own family, it seemed to.

Mr. Griffin. There was something he said in that connection?

Mr. Crafard. I think he said something, but I don’t recall what he said.

Mr. Griffin. Let me ask you this: Were you present when Jack learned that Officer Tippit had been shot?

Mr. Crafard. I believe so. I’m not sure. I think Jack was at the club or come to the club just shortly afterward.

Mr. Griffin. Do you remember Jack’s talking about Officer Tippit?

Mr. Crafard. Yes; I think he said he knew him.

Mr. Griffin. Did Jack talk a lot about the death of the President?

Mr. Crafard. I don’t believe any more than anybody else did.