Mrs. Grant. Well, he used to work with him selling subscriptions in San Francisco and when Jack was having trouble with the union—he hasn’t spoken to that fellow in 26 years and I believe it, because I’ve been on the west coast off and on, and Frank often asks, “Why don’t you write to me or call?” Last fall, in fact, in November—as late as November, I think Jack made the first call to Frank Goldstein because things were getting very bad.
Mr. Hubert. In your opinion, that phone call made to Goldstein was the first connection between Jack and Goldstein——
Mrs. Grant. That’s right.
Mr. Hubert. Wait a minute, let me finish my question—in some considerable number of years?
Mrs. Grant. I know that for a fact because I used to go to the west coast and see Frank every 5 years—5 or 7 years and we talked about him and I don’t remember Jack or him ever saying they talked or wrote and Frank, I don’t think, could write.
Mr. Hubert. But as far as you know, he had no connection with him; is that right?
Mrs. Grant. No; but I do know he is a gambler and it is very well emphasized in San Francisco that he is a gambler.
Mr. Hubert. What about Benny Barrish?
Mrs. Grant. Benny—I heard he is a liquor salesman. I knew him when we were on the west coast. He’s a Chicagoan. He came out there in 1935 and as far as I know he’s a liquor salesman.
Mr. Hubert. When was the last connection you had with him?