Mrs. Grant. Well, for one more reason, he would advise me to keep it quiet and to collect the money to see that Andy does this or that.
Mr. Hubert. And there is nothing to indicate to you whatsoever that he was in Las Vegas during September or October or November of 1963?
Mrs. Grant. But I know he has made many calls to the same fellow, McWillie. I would say he made at least 10 calls in those 3 months.
Mr. Hubert. And what would be the reason for those calls?
Mrs. Grant. The same thing—Willie might know somebody in Las Vegas, since there is that type of entertainment, with these amateurs.
Mr. Hubert. Did Jack tell you he was calling these various people because of this trouble with the union?
Mrs. Grant. It seemed to me—well, he was so bitter against Barney—I shouldn’t say this because—it’s just sickening—because they didn’t mean to hurt him—Barney and Abe Weinstein and he felt—the union sent him a telegram to quit these amateur auditions and they sent it to Abe and Barney, but they wouldn’t quit, but Jack figured they had an “in” with the big guys, you know, and Jack couldn’t get to this fellow, and he told me that he called McWillie. In fact, he may have called him even 3 days before that—he was just sick about this.
Mr. Hubert. Now, was McWillie, and I think you mentioned another person earlier, Lenny Patrick he called?
Mrs. Grant. Well, Lenny Patrick he called in Chicago—one time, and he was not there, and until he got his number—he called 15 different people from what I understand.
Mr. Hubert. What I was getting at is this—your explanation that if he called Goldstein and Barrish and McWillie and so forth, your explanation that those calls were made in connection with this difficulty about the amateur night thing—was that information obtained by you from Ruby, or are you just giving us your opinion of what those calls were about?