Mr. Hubert. What I wanted to get at—you all are trying to discourage him from having these views?
Mrs. Grant. Well, after talking to the psychiatrist, I said I don’t know what to do. If I tell you, you will agree with him it is no good, and if I don’t—I stay there and listen through this glass.
Mr. Burleson. I might be able to help with that—help clarify that—when he says that they have just killed Earl or Sam or their children, you say, “No, that’s not true because I just talked to them?”
Mrs. Grant. I say, “I just talked to them,” and then we’ll get onto something and I will try to talk about a friend who wrote a letter or someone came to see him and he goes right back, he says, “There’s no more Earl. They have dismantled him.” That’s the words he uses.
Mr. Burleson. And do you come back and say, “Well, it’s not true because I just talked to him 30 minutes ago or 2 hours ago?”
Mrs. Grant. Or, he makes me promise, “Will you call them tonight to be sure it’s not so—to be sure it wasn’t him,” and I’ll be sure that it is somebody else on the phone. They can check with the calls last Saturday—he made seven calls to Chicago.
Mr. Hubert. Who did?
Mrs. Grant. Jack; he don’t know that he made them, he don’t know that he made that many. I got the letter that he made them from Eileen at home.
Mr. Hubert. He is allowed to make phone calls though?
Mrs. Grant. Well, sometimes—I think he annoys them a little bit—those who sympathize with him and they figure he’s pretty screwy, you know he is really gone—he makes these collect calls to Chicago and they let him and there are one or two guards that aren’t as nice—I think they are not as tolerant.