Mr. Hubert. And that is the only source of your information, is that correct?
Mr. Ruby. Right.
Mr. Hubert. Have you ever seen the shares?
Mr. Ruby. No; I never have seen them.
Mr. Hubert. Have you ever seen any of the books or papers of the corporation that would indicate it?
Mr. Ruby. No, sir.
Mr. Hubert. But your sole source of information as to your present statement is the information obtained from Ralph Paul?
Mr. Ruby. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. Have you made any other inquiry about the matter?
Mr. Ruby. Well, we tried looking through the Carousel Club files up there—they had these metal files. We went through those and we couldn’t find any papers, any corporation papers and no one of the attorneys seemed to have them at the time and Stanley Kaufman, who was a personal friend of his, and he is an attorney here in town, he didn’t have them and he didn’t know where they were, and we couldn’t locate them.