Mr. Alexander. It isn’t an alley, now, it’s a ramp.

Mr. Specter. Let me specify here—is there another entrance to the jail that you have to go through an alleyway?

Mr. Ruby. There’s another—the Commerce Street entrance, and there’s two entrances, and there’s ways of coming through, I imagine, from the——

Mr. Tonahill. But it’s a driveway, is what it is, going down.

Mr. Alexander. There’s nothing in the sense that you’re thinking of—you could come from the building out where you could go down the ramp on either side.

Mr. Tonahill. It’s all under the building, not the ramp.

Mr. Fowler. Actually, I think what he is thinking of is that there is an alley too.

Mr. Alexander. It wouldn’t be accessible.

Mr. Fowler. It would make it very difficult to get down into the basement from the alley.

Mr. Alexander. All right, if Jack knows we’re talking about “alley,” as long as you distinguish between the alley and the ramp, so he can answer your question.