Mr. Specter. At Mr. McKenna’s house?

Mr. Wall. Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter. What did you do after arriving in Galveston that night?

Mr. Wall. Well, just as nearly, as quickly as we arrived is when we got a telephone call from Jack Ruby. After I talked to him we sat and visited and then went to bed.

Mr. Specter. How long did the telephone call from Mr. Ruby last?

Mr. Wall. I would say it couldn’t have been more than only 5 minutes. Maybe 3½ minutes.

Mr. Specter. State, as precisely as you can recollect, exactly what Jack Ruby said to you and what you said to him during that telephone call.

Mr. Wall. Well, he was having trouble with the union, or AGVA, and I had been elected the president of the council, newly elected president, and we had not even had a meeting yet but—I can’t remember—he was having some sort of problems with his girls and the union was going to make him do something, which I didn’t think was right. I told him I would help him out and make sure his case was presented correctly.

Mr. Specter. What was the union trying to make him do?

Mr. Wall. I don’t recall. I really don’t know but—I wasn’t going to be on his side, but I was going to be sure it was presented correctly, that we would get his angle as much as the union’s, the girl that was reporting him or whatever the circumstances were.