Mr. Peterson. It wasn’t exactly a loan. It was a thing, holding on costumes we had for the show. It was $400.

Mr. Specter. To your knowledge did Jack Ruby have any association with any of the criminal elements?

Mr. Peterson. Well, if you want to go by hearsay, yes; but actually I don’t know of any. In fact he was in thicker with the police in Dallas than anybody else I knew of because they were always in his place.

Mr. Specter. What hearsay are you referring to?

Mr. Peterson. I am talking about any hearsay. Because of his character automatically people would take him as a thug.

Mr. Specter. What aspect of his character would cause people to do that?

Mr. Peterson. Outward appearance.

Mr. Specter. Anything besides outward appearance?

Mr. Peterson. No; Jack, in spite of our differences, he was a nice, a good man.

Mr. Specter. Did you ever see him associate with any of the criminal element personally?