Mrs. Olsen. Oh, I can’t be positive on these times.

Mr. Specter. About what time?

Mrs. Olsen. I guess around 1.

Mr. Specter. Did he stop?

Mrs. Olsen. Yes. We waved, and he stopped. He stopped at a red light and pulled in and he came in and sat in the car and talked to us for quite a while.

Mr. Specter. How long did that conversation last?

Mrs. Olsen. Oh, I guess an hour or so at least.

Mr. Specter. As nearly as you can recollect, tell me exactly what he said and what you said to him?

Mrs. Olsen. Well, everyone was shocked, you know, and we talked about Mrs. Kennedy and the children and how terrible it was, and he told us he had been down to the police station to take the boys some sandwiches down there, and he was real upset, kind of wild-eyed, had his real stary look, and he was upset that—well, he was mad that these other clubowners hadn’t closed down.

Mr. Specter. Which clubowners?