Mr. Crafard. He had a lot of different papers tacked, fastened to the door there, hanging on it. He had a couple of pegs in the door he put them on.

Mr. Griffin. What kind of papers did he keep up there?

Mr. Crafard. Mostly old bills and stuff like that that he just stuck up on kind of a wire peg that he put them on.

Mr. Griffin. Let me show you what I have marked as Washington, D.C., C. L. Crafard, April 9, 1964, Exhibit 5208, and I have signed it. Was that photograph taken at the Carousel Club?

Mr. Crafard. Yes. Do you want me to describe it?

Mr. Griffin. Yes; would you?

Mr. Crafard. It shows Jack Ruby standing on the stage holding the mike talking to the audience, and they are clapping him; applauding him, I should say.

Mr. Griffin. Do you remember when that photograph was taken?

Mr. Crafard. I don’t remember the date, but this photograph would have been taken at the same time we had a photographer from a magazine taking pictures. It would have been taken by him.

Mr. Griffin. How often did Jack M.C.; appear on stage?