Mr. Griffin. Had you ever been up on the stage while the lights were on, while an act was in progress?

Mr. Crafard. Not while an act was in progress. Usually, during the roulette wheel, I would put the prizes out and I’d take them off when it was over.

Mr. Griffin. Would the stage be lighted in the same way for the drawing of prizes as it would be when an M.C. was on stage?

Mr. Crafard. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. Would only the stage be lit or would the patrons, the customer area, also be?

Mr. Crafard. Just the stage.

Mr. Griffin. Did you ever have occasion to look out into the audience from the stage when the roulette wheel, when the drawing, was in progress?

Mr. Crafard. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. Could you see faces in the audience?

Mr. Crafard. It was pretty hard to make out any faces unless they were sitting right next, and then you wouldn’t recognize them.