Mr. Hubert. Can you tell us when that was?
Mr. Litchfield. When I was associated with Bertha and she was thinking of putting in a business, we looked at a whole bunch of clubs she thought were for sale, and I knew the Vegas Club was not making any money and I would have liked to have tried to buy it from Jack, so one night I went down to see him—I had called and he said he would be there about 10:30 or 11 and he got there about 11:15 or 11:30, something like that, and I discussed the purchase of the Vegas Club and that’s when he told me it had, I think, $40,000 worth of Federal liens or something against it which still had it, and he tried to sell me the Carousel and I wouldn’t attempt to put in a private club in downtown Dallas; I was thinking of making the Vegas a private club by remodeling it.
Mr. Hubert. But what you wanted to put in was a private club, not an open or public club like the Carousel?
Mr. Litchfield. That’s right—a private club.
Mr. Hubert. And it was your opinion that the Carousel was not the proper place for a private club?
Mr. Litchfield. Right—any downtown location. You see, I cannot obtain an open—let’s say a beer license because of my record with the city of Dallas, but I can obtain a private club license from the State of Texas, even though I have a record. I talked to Buddy Mills on the liquor board and he said, “If you haven’t done anything in 3 to 5 years—no conviction or anything,” you can.
Mr. Hubert. That was the first time you were in the Carousel and you were there with Cheek?
Mr. Litchfield. No; I was not. I was alone. That was the second time I had been in there. I had been in there one other time—I just went in to see what it was—I didn’t speak to anybody at all that time.
Mr. Hubert. Can you give us the date of the second time that you did speak to him?
Mr. Litchfield. I think right around the middle of October—the second week or the third week, somewhere along in there—the exact date—no; I cannot.