Mr. Griffin. I see.
Mr. Crafard. I was thinking about that and it kind of didn’t——
Mr. Griffin. You don’t think the HA number is a Chicago number?
Mr. Crafard. No, sir; I believe that is either a Dallas or a Fort Worth number after I think about it a little bit.
Mr. Griffin. You are clear that there were two different telephones at the Carousel Club. One was a pay phone and the other was a business phone?
Mr. Crafard. Yes, sir.
Mr. Griffin. Is it possible that the Riverside number was the business phone number?
Mr. Crafard. It could have been; yes, sir.
Mr. Griffin. There is an entry, there is rather a line with nothing written on it after the entry Earl Products Co., and then there is a name and address and some numbers written; what is that?
Mr. Crafard. Bill DeMar, Wichita, Kans. The telephone number JA 4-4241. The telephone number JA 8-6116. Bill DeMar was a comedian that Ruby had hired to come down to the club, and these are the numbers where he could be reached. I believe one was a motel number and one was a business number or something of that sort. I am not sure.