Mrs. Nichols. Yes; I knew him slightly. I met him. He was a bandleader at Jack’s Silver Spur for a while.

Mr. Griffin. After Jack closed the Silver Spur, did Jack continue to see him?

Mrs. Nichols. I never did see him after that. I don’t know whether Jack did or not. Jack did see most of the nightclubs; he went around to most of the clubs and he probably did see Dewey Groom.

Mr. Griffin. Now, did you know Ralph Paul?

Mrs. Nichols. I did.

Mr. Griffin. To your knowledge, when did Jack first become friendly with Ralph Paul?

Mrs. Nichols. Well, I don’t remember. Let’s see; I don’t remember whether—I just can’t remember exactly when I first knew Ralph Paul.

Mr. Griffin. Was he friendly with Ralph Paul when you first started dating Jack?

Mrs. Nichols. No; I believe I went with him for several years before I ever heard of Ralph Paul or met him. I just don’t remember when I met Ralph Paul. I was trying to think whether I remembered him before Jack went back to Chicago. I believe I met him before he went back to Chicago in 1952.

Mr. Griffin. Did he have any business connections with Jack at that time?