Mr. Patterson. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. Has anything come to your attention in connection with Jack Ruby or in connection with any of the work you have done for Jack or his sister, Mrs. Grant, that you think would be of value to the Commission?
Mr. Patterson. No, I can’t recall anything.
Mr. Griffin. How many times did you actually talk with Jack Ruby?
Mr. Patterson. I couldn’t pinpoint it to a certain number of times, but I can approximate.
Mr. Griffin. Can you give us your best estimate?
Mr. Patterson. You mean on the phone and in person?
Mr. Griffin. Yes.
Mr. Patterson. About 15 times.
Mr. Griffin. How many of these times would have been in person?