Mr. Hubert. And subsequently that became the Silver Spur.
Mr. Paul. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. Did you have any business connections with Ruby at all until he got to owe you some money?
Mr. Paul. Well, I’ll tell you the whole thing—the whole story.
Mr. Hubert. Yes; that’s best—that’s the best way to do it.
Mr. Paul. Well, one day he came in with a friend of his—he’s now deceased.
Mr. Hubert. If you could fix the time and place—as you go—it would be helpful, and I know it’s a long time ago but perhaps we will have to take an approximation.
Mr. Paul. Maybe it was 1949 or 1950 or 1951, I can’t remember those years, and he asked me for a loan.
Mr. Hubert. Do you remember what the friend’s name was? The one that he came in with?
Mr. Paul. He’s now deceased, but it was Marty Gimpel.