Mr. Hubert. In other words, your statement to me is that Jack Ruby never paid you any money at all?

Mr. Paul. Yes; that’s right.

Mr. Hubert. Either in the way of repaying the loan or in the way of dividends? Or in the way of profits?

Mr. Paul. In the first place, until the last year that he was there, he was losing money.

Mr. Hubert. At the Carousel?

Mr. Paul. At the Carousel.

Mr. Hubert. Did it make some money in the last year?

Mr. Paul. In the last year I think it made some money, but he was so much in the hole that he had to pay everybody else. When he was arrested—now, mind you, when he was arrested—you wouldn’t think that an electric company—you could owe them that much money, but there was $175 or $180 a month, and he owed them over $600.

Mr. Hubert. The electric company?

Mr. Paul. Yes; the electric company—Dallas Electric Lights, and the telephone company—$153. He kept on owing everybody money.