Mr. Hubert. That’s the year 1963?

Mr. Paul. I think so—some cars and little—different things, a lot of a little truck, and then finally about—oh, maybe in July or August——

Mr. Hubert. Of 1963?

Mr. Paul. Yes; they pushed him out, I think.

Mr. Hubert. You mean his company did?

Mr. Paul. It isn’t a company, they pushed him out because he wasn’t selling anything, or he was using up the money or something to that effect, and they pushed him out and he wasn’t doing nothing and he was living with another man and they had an apartment and the other man got married and he didn’t have no money, so Jack told him he could live with him until he could get another job, but that’s George Senator.

Mr. Hubert. How long have you known George?

Mr. Paul. About 2 years.

Mr. Hubert. And you think Ruby knew him about the same length of time?

Mr. Paul. I think so—maybe a little longer.