Mr. Hubert. What was that man’s name?
Mr. Paul. Howard something.
Mr. Hubert. That’s his first name?
Mr. Paul. Howard is his first name—I can’t think of the second name—he’s just a customer there—he used to work a long time ago at the Sky Club—I think he was—he used to be their cabinet man there, so I says, “Go away.” I says, “Wait, I’ll call the house.” So, I called the house and nobody answered.
Mr. Hubert. You called Jack’s house?
Mr. Paul. Yes; I called Jack’s house and nobody answered, so Jackson and his wife came in and said, “Yes, we just saw it on TV that Jack Ruby shot Oswald.” So, I says, “All right”—that’s when I called Tom Howard.
Mr. Hubert. About what time was it you called Howard, do you know?
Mr. Paul. I would say it was about in between 11:30 and 12 o’clock.
Mr. Hubert. In other words, between 10 minutes or 15 minutes after the shooting, to 30 to 40 minutes after the shooting?
Mr. Paul. Well, you know—shooting—we didn’t think he killed him.