Mr. Hubert. On Harwood Street?
Mr. Paul. No; it’s on Commerce.
Mr. Hubert. Not the basement ramp?
Mr. Paul. The basement ramp.
Mr. Hubert. You went through the basement ramp?
Mr. Paul. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. What time was that, about?
Mr. Paul. Maybe 1 o’clock, and so we meet him, and he says, “They won’t let you see him anyway, you had better go over and stay at the office. I think it’s on television.” So we walked over to his office and we watched television until about 3 o’clock.
Mr. Hubert. That was Jackson and you and Howard?
Mr. Paul. No; not Howard—a girl Tammi True.