Mr. Hubert. Do you know when?

Mr. Senator. That was in 1962.

Mr. Hubert. Did he knock the man off his feet?

Mr. Senator. I don’t know. But I know he got the first lick in.

Mr. Hubert. How do you know that? He told you?

Mr. Senator. No, I heard he always gets the first lick in. He ain’t going to get hit first if he can help it, if it comes to an argument.

Mr. Hubert. Is this the opinion that is generally held?

Mr. Senator. I don’t know if that is the opinion that is generally held or not.

Mr. Hubert. What I am trying to get at is how you got it. Is that your opinion then that he always gets the first lick in?

Mr. Senator. I would say so because he is pretty fast for his age.