Mr. Hubert. I take it you did not hear a phone call for him that morning?

Mr. Senator. No.

Mr. Hubert. Have you ever had occasion where the ringing of the phone wakened you?

Mr. Senator. I would have to say “No” on that because I am always up before he is.

Mr. Hubert. Tell us whether or not if Jack had received a phone call about 8:30 Saturday morning you would have heard it and it would have wakened you?

Mr. Senator. If he did I just don’t recollect. I wouldn’t say he did or didn’t have one because I just don’t remember if he did have one.

Mr. Hubert. You don’t remember if he had one?

Mr. Senator. No.

Mr. Hubert. That I understand. But what I am asking you is whether or not the ringing of that phone in the position it was as you have explained it that is closer to you than to him, would have awakened you.

Mr. Senator. Oh sure, sure. I could have heard it.