Mr. Senator. I know what you are talking about, but I don’t know how to compare these things, you know.

Mr. Hubert. Was it worsening? Was it getting to him more? Did it seem to be getting to him more Saturday night as opposed to 12 hours earlier roughly Saturday morning?

Mr. Senator. I would probably say it was of the same nature or something like that. It wasn’t good, because for me to try to express, and I don’t know how to express a facial nature. It is just hard for me to put in words. If you take the complete facial expression and the eyes and all that, I am not a connoisseur at just being able to express these things, you know.

Mr. Hubert. No; I am just asking you for another comparison because you had given us a previous one, and I thought that another comparison between another period, two others periods, would be useful if you could give it to us, and that is all. I gather from you that your general impression was that there had not been much change in his condition over what it was on Saturday morning.

Mr. Senator. I will say something in the same nature.

Mr. Hubert. That it was of the same nature?

Mr. Senator. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. Do you recall what the nature of the conversation was between you two that night?

Mr. Senator. No; because when I walked in, he was just about on his way out. I asked him if he ate. I told him I bought groceries. He said, “Well, I ate already.” He ate.

Mr. Hubert. How long after you arrived did he leave?