Mr. Ball. And how many times do you think you saw him on the street, on the sidewalk?

Mr. Rheinstein. I would say once on the sidewalk, once in the truck—or once poking his face into the truck, and twice with our cameras.

Mr. Ball. And the entire span of time, then, was sometime late in the morning until not later than 5 in the afternoon?

Mr. Rheinstein. Five to six; right.

Mr. Ball. Now, you mentioned the fact that you didn’t know this man’s name that you saw these several times.

Mr. Rheinstein. No; I didn’t.

Mr. Ball. And the next day you did alone identify the picture of Ruby as the man you had seen the day before, or were there some others who agreed with you that they had seen him?

Mr. Rheinstein. There were a good number of the men of the same crew that identified him.

Mr. Ball. Tell me, when was it that you did identify him, tell me the circumstances.

Mr. Rheinstein. We identified him—the first time we took a good look at his face, at his picture, was a mug shot which was a front and profile shot which somebody obtained while still wet on the third floor of the Dallas Police Department, and our reporter was Pettit, Tom Pettit, and he held the mug shot in front of the electronic camera where it was transmitted to a tape machine where it was taped, and on both looking at it at the first time and on subsequent replays of the tape we were certain that this was the man we had seen around the truck. We certainly had his name almost immediately, because as soon as he was shot a number of people recognized him and we got the name right to our reporter, who was actually there while he was shot, which was Tom Pettit.