Mr. Griffin. Immediately afterward.

Mr. Pappas. Let’s see. Yes—I wanted to talk to Henry Wade, wanted to get a personal interview with him. And he did give us one or two statements, and then he wandered out, everybody else was wandering out. And I decided that I would try to get Henry Wade on the telephone directly to my office in New York. I went outside. I saw some other reporters—I didn’t know who they were, but they knew the ropes, I suppose, of the police station, and they were using the phones out there.

Mr. Griffin. Where, specifically, was this?

Mr. Pappas. At the reception area, outside of the lineup room. There is a long reception desk, with other desks behind the long reception desk.

Mr. Griffin. Are you familiar with what is called the records room of the police department?

Mr. Pappas. Well, I suppose—was that the records room—I don’t know.

Mr. Griffin. That is what I am getting to. If you knew what the records room was, that would be my next question.

Mr. Pappas. Specifically I didn’t know whether they called it the records room. It looked like a registration area to me. They did have a lot of desks, files, people doing clerical work.

Mr. Griffin. You know which room is the jail office, don’t you?

Mr. Pappas. Yes.