Mr. Griffin. To your knowledge at the time you were there, would you have been able to have seen Ruby in the place if he were there?
Mr. Pappas. Well, I am sure if he was—if he was in the same area I was, certainly. I don’t know whether he was or not.
Mr. Griffin. It would depend on how many rooms the radio station has. Were you in the newsroom?
Mr. Pappas. I don’t believe they have a newsroom as such. They have an area off of a control room which has some teletypes in it. I guess if that is their newsroom—yes; I was in the newsroom.
Mr. Griffin. How about in any of the broadcast studios? Were you in any of those?
Mr. Pappas. No; you see, the area that I was describing serves, from what I could tell, as a newsroom, as a broadcasting area, and as a control area, also, control room, because the person on the air was speaking into a microphone, broadcasting and doing his own control work while the teletypes were going, I believe, right in the same room, with all of us. I was having a sandwich while he was broadcasting, and I was doing my own work, as I recall. Wait a minute now. No; there is another studio next to it—that is right. At any rate, there is a control area and a studio, and I think the one that I was in that Friday night served as a broadcast studio, also. But there is another studio right next door to it, and you can see into it. There is a big glass panel there and everything; else.
Mr. Griffin. Do you have any way of fixing the time that you were at KLIF?
Mr. Pappas. No; it was early in the morning. I am not quite sure when. Maybe 2:30. I don’t know. It was well into the morning.
Mr. Griffin. Could it have been as late as 3 o’clock in the morning?
Mr. Pappas. Oh, yes.