Mr. Pappas. At 9:15, 9:20.
Mr. Griffin. And where did you go at that point?
Mr. Pappas. Went to Chief Curry’s office. Third floor.
Mr. Griffin. Did you actually go inside the office?
Mr. Pappas. Yes—into the chief’s complex of offices.
Mr. Griffin. And what happened when you got in there?
Mr. Pappas. Well, when I got there he was talking to some reporters, having another press conference, about Oswald’s activities overnight, what he had for breakfast, and things like that.
Mr. Griffin. At any time before Oswald was actually brought down in the basement, did you receive any indication, either by what you observed or by what someone told you, or by what you overheard, with respect to the manner in which he was going to be moved, or the route by which he was to be moved, or the time or circumstances under which he would be moved?
Mr. Pappas. Well, we were told that he was going to be moved in an armored car, or an armored truck. And someone at the window said, “There is an armored truck downstairs.” And there was one. I just got a glimpse of it. I don’t know whether he was trying to back into the garage at the time or not. I can’t recall.
And we asked him why the armored truck. And he said, “Well, our police cars are not bullet proof.”