Mr. Griffin. How long were you present during the conversation?

Mr. Kleinman. I don’t think I was there over 2 or 3 minutes, because I went back in the back to try to get the payroll out.

Mr. Griffin. Do you know Ralph Paul?

Mr. Kleinman. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. How long have you known Ralph Paul?

Mr. Kleinman. Oh, just a very short time. Jack introduced me to him up at the club, and, of course, I knew the name from the records that I was working on, but I don’t know him very well.

Mr. Griffin. Did you have occasion to see Ralph Paul at any time the weekend the President was shot?

Mr. Kleinman. No, sir.

Mr. Griffin. Did you have occasion to see any friends or employees of Jack Ruby on that weekend?

Mr. Kleinman. No, sir. I believe he closed the place up on Friday.