Mrs. Helmick. She was Rose.

Mr. Griffin. Now, what happened? Will you tell us what happened?

Mrs. Helmick. Well, we were sitting there gossiping about something, I don’t remember what, but we was teasing or aggravating Johnnie—well, Paul you call him.

Mr. Griffin. Was Ralph Paul sitting there at the booth with you?

Mrs. Helmick. No, he was behind the counter, and Rose got up and went back there to do something, and she started talking to him, and the telephone rang, and she said, “It is for you. It is Jack.”

So he took the phone and he had been talking quite a while, and he said something. He either said, “Are you crazy? A gun?” or something like that, or he said something about a gun.

Then he said, “Are you crazy?” But he did say something about a gun, and he asked him if he was crazy.

Mr. Griffin. How long did he talk on this telephone call?

Mrs. Helmick. He just talked for about 5 minutes, I guess. It wasn’t very long.

Mr. Griffin. Did you hear anything else that was said in the telephone conversation?