Mr. Griffin. What efforts were they making to hide it, as you say?

Mrs. Helmick. Well, whenever the newspaper would call on the telephone, they would say that he doesn’t own this place any more, or he isn’t here any more. Even if he was there, they would say he wasn’t there.

Mr. Griffin. Was that the same day that Oswald was shot, or was that later on?

Mrs. Helmick. I believe it was that afternoon.

Mr. Griffin. Is there a fellow by the name of Jackson that works there?

Mrs. Helmick. Jackson, I believe that was that tall fellow’s name that I mentioned.

Mr. Griffin. Is that the fellow that Ralph Paul lived with?

Mrs. Helmick. I don’t know. I didn’t know he lived with anyone.

Mr. Griffin. Was he living with Tammi?

Mrs. Helmick. I didn’t know he lived with anyone at all.