Mrs. Powell. Yes; but Betty called me as soon as it happened, before they knew who did it, and she told me to turn it on channel something real quick, and the TV was on already, but I had just gotten up, and I ran in there, and then they kept saying Jack Luey, and I thought well, that is not him. It was on TV. They said Jack Ruby did it. Then they said Jack Ruby, and I called Ralph and told him.

Mr. Griffin. What did Ralph say?

Mrs. Powell. He said, “No; he didn’t.” And I said, “Yes; he did.” “No; he didn’t do that,” he said. “He is at home.” And I said, “No; he is not. He did it.” So he said he would call the apartment, “And call you right back.” So, he called the apartment, and there was no answer, and he had a radio down there, and somebody came in or something on the radio and told him that it happened.

Mr. Griffin. How do you know Ralph called Jack’s apartment?

Mrs. Powell. He told me. That is what he said he was going to do, call the apartment. He said he was home and was going to call to see if he was at home.

Mr. Griffin. Then what did you do?

Mrs. Powell. I was there at the house and he said he would call me back. I don’t know whether I called him or he called me, but anyway, we spoke on the phone again, and he knew that it was Jack that had done it.

Mr. Griffin. What did he tell you?

Mrs. Powell. He couldn’t believe that he would do it. So he said he was going to come over right away to see about helping Jack, and wanted me to go with him.

Mr. Griffin. Didn’t he mention that he talked with Jack the night before?