Mr. Griffin. You remembered on Sunday when you first heard that Ruby had shot Oswald, that it was the day before that you had talked to him.

Mr. Dowe. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. When you answered the telephone on these couple of occasions, did you at anytime give your name to Ruby?

Mr. Dowe. Probably; yes. I don’t remember doing it. I am sure I must have.

Mr. Griffin. You don’t recall Ruby calling you by name?

Mr. Dowe. No; he did not call me by name. He asked me, now I remember, when I first answered the phone, he said, “Who is this?” And I said, “This is Ken Dowe.” And he said, “Is there a newsman or somebody? This is Jack Ruby.” And he talked like he knew me.

Mr. Griffin. In the conversation did he use your name, or don’t you have any recollection?

Mr. Dowe. I don’t have any recollection. I don’t recall him using my name.

Mr. Griffin. How much time do you think separated the first telephone call and the last telephone call?

Mr. Dowe. I couldn’t honestly pinpoint it, by any definite number of minutes, but more than a few minutes. Likely less than 15 or 20.