Mr. Benton. I would guess around 7 or 8 o’clock in the evening.

Mr. Hubert. How long did you stay?

Mr. Benton. I stayed until after midnight.

Mr. Hubert. Now, did you see Jack Ruby at any time during the period you have just stated, from 8 to midnight, on the night of the 22d at the Dallas City Police Jail?

Mr. Benton. I did.

Mr. Hubert. You did not know him at the time, is that correct?

Mr. Benton. No.

Mr. Hubert. How do you associate the man you now know to be Ruby as a man that you saw?

Mr. Benton. Because of something he said. Well, I told the FBI the man was wearing a white on white shirt, and we—I hadn’t seen many reporters wearing white on white shirts. It was——

Mr. Hubert. You mean a white tie on a white shirt?