Mr. Benton. That’s true.

Mr. Hubert. And then 10 minutes or so before you left, the crowd had cleared out considerably?

Mr. Benton. That is correct.

Mr. Hubert. Do you remember any announcement or any statement by anyone that Oswald would be moved by use of the basement ramps?

Mr. Benton. No, sir; I don’t. I think this may have been something that we assumed since we knew that there was a basement entrance to the jail which connected to an elevator. I think we assumed he would be moved by some sort of vehicle. There were some of us who were not convinced the armored car was going to be used, and, as I later found out, there was no intention of using the armored car, which later I was told.

Mr. Hubert. Now, at the time you left, which you stated was roughly 10 minutes before the shooting occurred, did you see any movement in Captain Fritz’ office to indicate that movement was imminent?

Mr. Benton. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Did you see Oswald, particularly, in Captain Fritz’ office at that time?

Mr. Benton. No, sir; I did not see Oswald at all on the morning of the 24th. The only place I saw him was on a television screen.

Mr. Hubert. Were you able to observe whether the detectives from the bureaus were leaving their offices to go down to the basement area?