Mr. Hubert. There was no social relationship between you then such as visiting in one another’s houses and going out together or anything like that?

Mr. Bellocchio. No.

Mr. Hubert. Did you have any business relationships with him?

Mr. Bellocchio. Never.

Mr. Hubert. Did he come to your shop sometime?

Mr. Bellocchio. I don’t—I’m sure Jack Ruby was never in our store at Preston Center, and he may have visited my workshop downtown once. I vaguely remember him talking to me about designing some sort of an ornament for the winners at his dance club. He used to have competition between dancers and give prizes to the winners.

Mr. Hubert. I think you saw him on the 23d of November 1963?

Mr. Bellocchio. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. When was the last time prior to that time that you had seen him?

Mr. Bellocchio. I would say perhaps 6 months or 8 months or 10 months before that.