Mr. Hubert. Is it your impression that he was trying to convey to you that he got into that room more or less by accident by being brushed along and not by design?

Mr. Duncan. Yes; exactly. This was the whole point or one of the points that he was making—the fact that he hadn’t even known it was going to happen, and suddenly he was pushed along. He didn’t know what the rush was all about until he was in there surrounded by everybody.

Mr. Hubert. So he was conveying to you that he got into the assembly room just by a sort of an accidental method and he did not get there because he sought to get there?

Mr. Duncan. Right. His exact words, I don’t remember, but the inference was very definitely accidental and not attempting to get in.

Mr. Hubert. You didn’t know Jack Ruby prior to this, did you?

Mr. Duncan. No, I did not—it was the first time actually I had ever even heard of him—was when I was introduced to him on the telephone that night.

Mr. Hubert. And how were you introduced to him?

Mr. Duncan. By the announcer on duty at the time.

Mr. Hubert. Who is he?

Mr. Duncan. Danny McCurdy, and Jack called the control room, which was the only public number or the only place in the station at that time with the telephone answer to a public number, and our newsroom telephones are both unlisted private lines, and so at that time he, according to what Danny told me, said he had some things to bring up and I was introduced to him on the phone.