Mr. Griffin. But if we were to go out and look for people who knew Jack better than anybody else, outside of the family, who were the people that you would name?
Mr. Rubenstein. Put his name down, Benny Kay.
Mr. Griffin. Who else would you name?
Mr. Rubenstein. Harry Epstein.
Mr. Griffin. Who else?
Mr. Rubenstein. Hershey Colvin, and this Marty Gimpel that died, Marty could have given you a better report than anybody. Because Marty lived with him down in Dallas.
Mr. Griffin. I am talking about Chicago.
Mr. Rubenstein. Marty knew him from Chicago. Marty worked at the post office in Chicago.
Mr. Griffin. How about Alex Gruber?
Mr. Rubenstein. Don’t know him. Never heard his name. Isn’t that odd? Of all the names that are in Chicago I never heard of him.