Mr. Hubert. And you walked the 7 blocks or so?
Mr. Newnam. Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert. When you got there, was Ruby on the second floor of the Dallas Morning News?
Mr. Newnam. Yes; he was.
Mr. Hubert. Was he standing or sitting or what was he doing?
Mr. Newnam. He was sitting at my desk.
Mr. Hubert. That is to say—No. 23 on Exhibit No. 4, is that correct?
Mr. Newnam. Right, sir.
Mr. Hubert. Did you know at that time when you first saw him, that the President had been shot?
Mr. Newnam. No, sir.