Mr. Hubert. You’ve known him, you say, about 8 or 10 years?

Mr. Norton. No; I’ve known him about 5. I was in the business about 2 years before I ever met him.

Mr. Hubert. There was no social relationship between you?

Mr. Norton. None whatsoever. I have some friends who went to his club.

Mr. Hubert. You didn’t visit with him in his home?

Mr. Norton. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Would you say you saw him three or four times a year or more or less?

Mr. Norton. Possibly after I met him—yes.

Mr. Hubert. And it would be either at his club or he dropped in at your club?

Mr. Norton. That’s right.