Mr. Watherwax. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. Did that seem to be of concern to him?

Mr. Watherwax. Yes; he was worried about it. Like I said, primarily he was a businessman. I have often thought that—they said that he mingled with police, he was a glad-hander but he was his own public-relations man and that was all part of the business with him.

Mr. Hubert. Have you ever been to his club on a social basis?

Mr. Watherwax. Yes; I took my wife up there once.

Mr. Hubert. Other than that?

Mr. Watherwax. That was the only time—once.

Mr. Hubert. You say you’ve known him about 7 or 8 years?

Mr. Watherwax. No; just several years, I would say—maybe longer than that—4 or 5 years.

Mr. Hubert. Did you know him prior to the time he organized and opened the Sovereign Club?