Come to think of it, I don’t believe it could have happened without my seeing it, considering the physical setup over there, however, that’s not important.

Might I add that at the time that I entered the ramp area, the crowd of people standing along the south side of Commerce Street had grown to about 200. It was maybe 100 when I first arrived there, and this I took to be due to the fact that there appeared to be, from what I heard and cars passing stopped for traffic lights that had their radios on, broadcast announcements every few minutes that Oswald was going to be moved soon.

Mr. Hubert. Do you know if all those people had been moved over to the opposite side of Commerce Street by the police?

Mr. Waldo. I cannot testify to that. They were all on the opposite side when I arrived there.

Mr. Hubert. You arrived about 9:30, you say?

Mr. Waldo. About 9:30; yes.

Mr. Hubert. And of course you went upstairs and so forth in the interval before you went down into the basement?

Mr. Waldo. Yes; but I was not upstairs a matter of more than 10 to 15 minutes before I returned to the same.

Mr. Hubert. And during the period between 9:30 and approximately 11 or shortly before 11, when you went down into the ramp and excepting the time when you were upstairs, which you say was very slight, you were in the area of the Commerce Street entrance?

Mr. Waldo. Yes, sir.