Mr. Hubert. Had you ever seen him at all?
Mr. Jenkins. No; I hadn’t.
Mr. Hubert. Did you know of his existence?
Mr. Jenkins. No.
Mr. Hubert. Now apparently later you identified Ruby as a man that you had seen on the third floor on November 22, and I ask you now how you identified the man that you saw on the 22d as Jack Ruby whom you did not know on the 22d?
Mr. Jenkins. I don’t think I ever have said that I saw him for sure and could identify him for sure. It was strictly by recall. I was able to see him in person, I believe it was, on the afternoon of the Oswald shooting. I think that was the 24th.
Mr. Hubert. Where did you see him then?
Mr. Jenkins. Just outside Capt. Will Fritz’ office in the Dallas Police Department. He was being brought down from, I would suppose, the city jail, brought down the corridor past the gathering of newsmen, and I was one of the few who managed to just have been standing outside of Captain Fritz’ office door, and he passed within a few feet of me. He was very familiar, and the face was familiar, and it just seemed to me that I had seen the man on the Friday night previous. This was the first thing that struck me when I did see him, because I had not seen him following the Oswald shooting up until that moment.
Mr. Hubert. Is it a fact that immediately upon seeing him under the circumstances and the time and conditions that you stated, that you had the mental reaction that you had seen this man before?
Mr. Jenkins. Yes; that is correct.