Mr. Hubert. Then I would ask you why it is that you have stated that you think it is between 5:30 and 7:30 that you saw Ruby there?
Mr. Jenkins. Well, it was earlier in the evening, I am quite sure of that, because I know I spent quite a few hours after 7:30 mainly in the auto theft department, which is just outside the pressroom, and in the pressroom itself. I was talking to officers there. I was doing some phone calling from in there. Most of the pressroom phones were busy all evening long, and I have some friends in the auto theft department. I don’t know them by name exactly, but I have had contact with them, and it turned out this became my best source of information as a newsman was just to more or less stay in there and make interoffice calls from time to time on their telephone. I found out I could find out more that way because there wasn’t a lot of commotion. It was close to Chief Curry’s office and the homicide office.
Mr. Hubert. Well, there was quite a crowd on the third floor, as I understand?
Mr. Jenkins. It was packed.
Mr. Hubert. Do you recall what Ruby was doing when you saw him?
Mr. Jenkins. The only thing I can recall is, he was talking to somebody. I would suppose a newsman, I don’t know. I don’t know who he was talking to.
Mr. Hubert. Was there anything that directed your attention to him particularly?
Mr. Jenkins. Only that there were very few people around the elevator shaft. Most of them were gathered around the cameras that were set up right in the intersection, and then slightly past as you get off of the elevator, and most of the newsmen were just lined two and three deep down the hallway back toward the homicide department as you go left coming off the elevator, and also were gathered around the cameras there talking, and at that moment I was going by. There were only two people, this man who I believe to be Ruby, and another man, a taller man, and I can’t really describe what he looked like.
Mr. Hubert. Was he in uniform or civilian clothes?
Mr. Jenkins. No; in civilian clothes.