Mr. Meyers. Here again it would be a sheer guess, but I would say 20, 25 times.
Mr. Griffin. Did you have any business dealings with him?
Mr. Meyers. Actual business dealings?
Mr. Griffin. Yes.
Mr. Meyers. No.
Mr. Griffin. Did you ever talk business with him?
Mr. Meyers. His business primarily, not my business.
Mr. Griffin. What was the nature of these conversations?
Mr. Meyers. Oh, his problems in trying to become successful, his problems with his competitors.
Why don’t I say it this way, Mr. Griffin. I think to a degree he used me as a sounding board as to what action and what means to take to increase his business.