Mr. Hubert. No; this would have been a long distance call?
Mr. Carlin. No. While I was in Houston, I believe I called Karen—I don’t know if it was this particular trip or not, but I did notice some receipts from the telephone company that I had that there was a call from Houston to Dallas charged to my phone. The reason I know this is so because I turned the receipts over to my CPA the other day and he was asking which calls were business and which ones were not and I had to mark them off.
Mr. Hubert. Well, do you recall a call received by you at The Vagabond Motel in Houston at 4:38 on the morning of the 21st, and that would have been Thursday?
Mr. Carlin. I remember I was called that morning; yes.
Mr. Hubert. Who called you, do you remember?
Mr. Carlin. I believe Karen called me.
Mr. Hubert. And do you remember a phone call at 7:30 that same night, that’s the night prior to the shooting of the President? That’s on Thursday night—that you called the Carousel Club and spoke for approximately 3 minutes to a person named Larry?
Mr. Carlin. No; definitely not.
Mr. Hubert. You did not make any such call on the telephone the night before the President was killed?
Mr. Carlin. I don’t know if I made a call. If I did, it was not to Larry. Now, I called at various times and trips and I do not know whether it was this one—this particular time, but I do remember calling and asking for Karen and having to wait a length of time for her to come to the phone, but as far as talking to anyone in conversation, I don’t know even who answered the phone. I can’t even say if it was that particular time that I called. I do know I have called and Andrew answered the phone, and he’s the one I thought answered it, but I don’t know exactly when it was that I called.