Mr. Hall. And this is what [indicating]?

Mr. Hubert. Well, this is Commission Document No. 4 too, but different volumes.

Mr. Hall. Commission Document No. 4, vol. 1, relates primarily to the event that happened involving Jack Ruby.

Mr. Hubert. That has been identified by us as Exhibit No. 2 for this deposition.

Mr. Hall. Yes; Exhibit No. 1, which is Commission Document No. 4, vol. 2, relates to background information. In this report we tried to set up a section of the report dealing with the background of Ruby.

Another section dealing with the event surrounding the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald was set up, and it was for that reason that there were two separate reports of an interview here set out, but it was actually a composite of the information obtained during this time between 12:40 p.m. and 5:30 p.m. on November 24, 1963.

Mr. Hubert. Now, I notice from your report and principally, for example, at the bottom of page 15 on Exhibit No. 2 that Ruby refused to answer certain things and would not say, for instance, how he got into the basement and why he brought his revolver and so forth. Do you recall, or is there any way you can tell us whether that denial on his part came before or after he was interviewed by his attorney, Mr. Howard?

Mr. Hall. Well——

Mr. Hubert. I notice that you are referring to some notes; are those the notes that you took contemporaneously with the interviewing?

Mr. Hall. Yes.