Mr. Kantor. That is right.

Mr. Griffin. Now, you mention in your statement to the FBI that you saw Detective Combest in the basement. Did you know Combest before——

Mr. Kantor. No; the first time I talked to him was upstairs outside Chief Curry’s office following the shooting.

Mr. Griffin. Can you show us on the diagram here where Combest was standing, to your recollection?

Mr. Kantor. Right here.

Mr. Griffin. Marked with an X. Now, can you put a mark on the map where Ruby was when you first saw him?

Mr. Kantor. He was on the floor, having shot Lee Harvey Oswald, in approximately the same place where I designated where Billy Combest was standing.

Mr. Griffin. I see. So when you say all you saw was an arm and a gun, you didn’t even notice him before the shooting?

Mr. Kantor. No; I thought it was an officer who shot Oswald. That was my first reaction.

Mr. Griffin. All right. Now, you indicated in your statement to the FBI that you heard Combest say something. Did you actually hear that, or did Combest tell you that?